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Irrefutable Proof Of The John Edwards Scandal

by: Stranahan

Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:24:09 PM PDT




(Note: I've been banned from DailyKos for writing about the John Edwards scandal. This post is a direct repost of what I wrote there, for archival purposes - because some of it deals with the Kossack's reactions in comments, parts of it may not make sense.

I'll do an original post here in the next week.

Thanks to MSOC for supporting freedom of discussion by hosting these.)

This is my fourth essay about the ongoing, developing story of the John Edwards primary affair / cover-up scandal. One thing that's come up time and again with some people is the idea that there's no solid evidence of a scandal. As Kos member berryberry pointed out in a comment in my last diary, there's quite a bit of evidence but it's mainly circumstantial.

For die hard Edwards apologists, however, that's not enough - they continue to claim stridently that there's nothing to see here.

Thankfully, we have one piece of irrefutable proof that shows any journalist or reasonable person that there is something to this story that bears further investigation.


Stranahan :: Irrefutable Proof Of The John Edwards Scandal


On Wednesday, after his speech to the AARP, John Edwards ducked out a side entrance in order to avoid reporter's questions.

That's a fact. It's well sourced -- a dozen reporters were there. Nobody is disputing it. And to anyone covering the story, it's hugely significant for two reasons; it's damning on it's own and it shows a pattern of behavior that gives credence to the National Enquirers reporting.

First point - Edwards is acting how people act when they are hiding something.

Think like a journalist, not a John Edwards supporter. Why do politicians avoid reporters, not issue statements, and duck an issue that multiple news outlets are running down? The answer is - always, in every case - because they have something to hide.

There is a reasonable limit to the amount of times someone should be forced to deal with any issue. However, this isn't a story that's been beaten into the ground. It's fresh and there are new developments since Edward's last real statement in 2007. The NE claims to have caught Edwards at a hotel ten days ago and since then Edwards has yet to give one single statement denying he was there.

What some of my fellow Kossacks apparently want the press to do is to think this way "John Edwards just snuck out a side entrance to avoid my questions - but you know....maybe he's tired and Elizabeth is sick and he's a private citizen...sure he just gave a political speech but I can see why he wouldn't want to answer questions especially since there's nothing to those trashy tabloid rumors."

Edwards could easily issue a terse denial. If the story is true in any way, he could explain. If there's a personal matter with his wife, say so. Mainstream, responsible journalists covering this story want him to go on the record again, after the latest claims by the NE.  And that's exactly what they should want.

More importantly, that's exactly what YOU should want and ESPECIALLY if he's innocent. A simple straightforward statement. If there's an explanation, give it - because avoiding reporters only prolongs the story, creates embarrassing headlines and adds to the appearance of guilt.

Second point and just as obvious - by ducking reporters the way he did, Edwards is acting the same way the NE claims he did at the hotel. He sees a reporter and high tails it. He just gave the NE's claims more validity.

You can make excuses for this all day but no journalist can, will, or should. No Kossack should either. To fail to demand even the most basic accountability from Edwards - answer a couple of questions - does everyone a disservice. Even our favorite politicians can't be placed on a pedestal of unaccountability.

Here's berryberry's Evidence Comment - all proof copyright 2008, berryberry

Of course there is evidence, most of which is circumstantial.  To put my lawyer hat on for a moment, that does not make it inadmissible.  In a court context, all of the following would be admitted into evidence.

 1. Mr. Edwards and Ms. Hunter know each other and have shared proximity.   Thus, they've had opportunity for conversation.

 2. There are eyewitnesses to JRE's visit to Ms Hunter and the child at the Beverly Hilton.

 3. A corroborating, disinterested witness places Mr Edwards at the Beverly Hilton, hiding in a restroom and avoiding the NE reporters.

 4. The act of visiting alone tends to prove (not disprove) some relationship.  (The recklessness of the act (in the absence of a relationship) is more a commentary upon the quality of the evidence.)

 5. The witnesses attest (sort of...this is the NE) that they attempted to question JRE.  His response was to run and hid in the toilet.  This is "guilty conscience" evidence.  

 6. Aware that this matter is swirling around him, Mr. Edwards was sought by members of the MSM yesterday (at another hotel, ironically) for comment about the NE report.  Mr. Edwards evaded the MSM and sought an alternative exit where he would not be seen.  Again, any trial attorney would point to this conduct as admissible on the basis that it demonstrates "consciousness of guilt."  When asked, Mr Edwards proffered an excuse that he lacked time to respond.  

 7. There is a child.  She has DNA.  

It is wishful thinking for those in this forum to ignore this with the an unexamined mantra that there is" no evidence. "

And of course let us not forget the inevitability of a DNA test, an admission by Ms Hunter and an admission by Mr. Edwards.  Can there be any doubt that these are on the way?


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Why should any of (8.50 / 4)
this matter to anyone but Elizabeth?  Edwards is not a candidate.  He won't be impacting our lives.

As for ducking reporters; it could be as simple as the fact that the MSM loves to trash Democrats.  Also, the more he answers questions about it, issues denials or whatever, the longer it stays in the news cycle.

Bottom line:  I don't care if it's true or not.


I care. (5.33 / 6)


I don't care what he does with his dick, but I care about the goddamned scandal that will ensue. If this is true, he has effectively killed his career and everything that went with it-- and that matters to me, because John Edwards was one of my few hopes on the bleak landscape of American Democrats still holding any weight. He might have been Attorney General.

It's a fucking mess.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
As I said so many times here, Maryscott... (4.00 / 1)

He's an asshole.

All talk, no walk.

Sorry...

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[ Parent ]
What, the Senate confirmed an AG who is unwilling to ... (6.00 / 3)
... enforce the law, but some peccadillo will keep them from confirming Edwards?

Suppose that there is "some there, there", but not as much as the National Enquirer is making out. First, it only matters because "its a scandal", not because it matters. Its not as if Edwards was a "family values, hate the gays" campaigner who was getting anonymous gay sex in a bathroom, or a "family values, hate pedophiles" campaigner who solicited underage Congressional pages.

Its only that there's a media rule that marital infidelity is OK if you are a Republican (Guliani, McCain), but not if your a Democrat. Which this series buys into and, by buying into, reinforces.

If there's something there, and if Edwards has to do a public mea culpa before the start of an Obama term in order to be considered for a cabinet post, if he wants a cabinet post ... there's no good reason to be doing that during the Presidential campaign. Edwards is, by all accounts, not on the VP short list, and given that Obama is trying to bland McCain to death, goading McCain into wasting the long years invested in the "he is not a batshit crazy radical right winger" public persona by not getting him anything definite to hit at, there's no reason to expect Edwards would be on the short list, irrespective of the National Enquirer's efforts to launch a scandal.

This whole series is buying into the Republican / National Enquirer frame that it matters. But it does not, in fact, matter.

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To elaborate: (5.25 / 4)


" Edwards is not a candidate.  He won't be impacting our lives."

Simply isn't true -- or wouldn't have been true, if this story hadn't broken. But MAYBE, if the story is allowed -- ahem -- breathing room, and its investigation proves nothing more than some innocuous bullshit, he COULD be impacting our lives.

Actually, either way, this DOES impact our lives. Edwards, while not a future President (though THAT certainly wasn't off the table for good, either) was almost certainly going to be a part of the Obama Administration, and therefore a VERY relevant impact on our lives. Now, if this shit proves true, he won't be.

It matters.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


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Precisely, Susan. (0.00 / 0)
I don't care, either.

In fact, I so don't care, that I don't even really know what the story is beyond Edward's had a mistress... who gave birth?

Is that it?

Nope.  Just don't care.

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I'm not even sure, Karma (9.00 / 1)
of that much of the story.

I don't see any "proof" of a relationship. Maybe some circumstantial evidence, but no "proof".

This is, after all, the National Enquirer we're talking about as a source, not the WSJ or even the NYT (is there any news outlet with a real rep for accuracy these days?). Their fact-checking has been proven to be about as reliable as, say Rush Limbaugh's or Faux Not-News. At least the NYT and WSJ print retractions when they're proven wrong.

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


[ Parent ]
As for the... (9.00 / 1)


"hiding in the toilet" art -- I agree with Susan -- if it were I, and there were fucking media everywhere, I'd sure as hell not wish to confront them in the middle of the night outside a hotel, regardless of what I was doing there.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

The thing I find most concerning (6.00 / 4)
are the non-denial denials. If this is not true, i have a hard time believing Edwards would not be, proactively, disproving it. He's acting like a guilty man. It just doesn't look good.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

His tone in recent appearances... (5.57 / 7)
has also been subdued - I guess it's just more circumstantial evidence, but if I wasn't guilty I would taken great exception to the accusation and you would know it.

I was ambivalent about the Dem candidates when the news of the return of Elizabeth's illness came out.  I was thunderstruck - by her, her grace and her strength - and decided to take another look at him (if she loved him enough to keep-on-keeping-on in the face of her illness, that said something to me!).

So if he is guilty of this "indiscretion", then it really makes me furious.

And I did expect him to be rewarded with a position in Obama's administration (if Obama won) - at least something more than being handed the Obama mailing list to use for Edward's charity solicitation.


Welcome to MLW, Shainzona (7.25 / 8)


You're the newest member, so, um...

You get to wash my car.



--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
Thanks for the welcome... (3.00 / 5)
now about your car.....

[ Parent ]
First I've heard of this (6.00 / 5)
But the timeline does coincide with his surprising withdrawal from the primary (from my estimation - I'll admit I'm using sketchy info here).

I don't care what he does - but I'm worried this could have a chilling effect on the issues Edwards campaigned for; i.e. - poverty in America.  Look at what happened to Bill Clinton - he was hamstrung by the cover-up investigations.  Gore handled the smoking pot thing better.  When asked he said, "yes I did in college - so what?"  There was no storey.  It went away.  

I say get out in front of it - if it's true, say so; tell the reporters to go fuck themselves, and then behave like all the Republicans caught with their hands in cookie jars - ignore it.  But first you have to address it - one way or the other.

Poor Elizabeth.  This must be a real bitch for her.

Deux ex Machina


I'm really disappointed in the people here (7.00 / 5)
You're agreeing with the fact that the fact that Edwards won't answer questions is "irrefutable proof"?

Wow.

Just.  Fucking.  Wow.

I thought better of y'all than that.

Wake me when there's a DNA match.  THAT is "irrefutable proof."

Jesus CHRIST, I hope you people are never on a jury that might convict me.

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.


I'm really disappointed in myself now (7.00 / 1)
Could I have written that opening sentence more awkwardly?  Wow.

I guess irritation will fuck up your syntax.

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.


[ Parent ]
I don't see it as "irrefutable proof." (6.67 / 3)


In fact, I am withholding judgement until such time as Edwards addresses the issue.

I have some opinions, but that he refuses to addresses them is "irrefutable proof" is not one of them.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
In fact, I'd go so far as to say the title ought to be changed... (6.33 / 3)


If I weren't such a stickler for letting people write their own stuff.

But yeah, the fact that Edwards ducked out on reporters is not irrefutable proof of squat.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
Yes (6.00 / 3)
And I don't see anyone other than the author saying it is.  In fact - I'd never even heard this before.  My comment spoke to the general nature of political gossip and the damage it can cause.    

I'll go one step further: Kerry should have come out against those swift boat assholes the minute they attacked.  By remaining silent - he gave credence to the bullshit.  You can bet McCain's not gonna play nice against Obama.  You have to hit back - hard.  If untrue - Edwards needs to sue the Enquirer.  

Non-political example:  every so often some magazine or newspaper claims that Lance Armstrong (7 time Tour de France winner) took steroids.  What does he do?  Sue their ass back to the stone age.  He's done it 3 or 4 times now - won every time - quelling any gossip.  Edwards needs to sue; or better yet - Elizabeth.  What he cannot do is keep silent.  It only fuels the speculation.  In the absence of facts - people will make shit up.  It's human nature.  He needs to give them something else to talk about (IMO).  

Deux ex Machina


[ Parent ]
That last sentence is really my point (7.00 / 2)
I just expressed it a wee bit too passionately, methinks.

I do that from time to time, you may have noticed. :-)

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.


[ Parent ]
I agree, probably.. (6.00 / 2)
Again - I reposted EXACTLY what I wrote on Kos...not what I wish I might have written...

It's subtle - but I say proof of a SCANDAL...ducking out isn't proof of the affair, per se...

What ducking out meant is - reporters HAVE to cover it at this point. They can't just wave bye bye to back end of the limo, go back to the newsroom and say "well, I think he's under pressure...probably nothing going on"..

Even now, I don't know if the point is as clear as it is in my head.

But at least here, I can explain further.


[ Parent ]
Respectfully, Lee, the title wording is the problem (0.00 / 0)


I'd change it, were it my prerogative.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

[ Parent ]
I'm old enough to remember Gary Hart (7.75 / 4)
You remember Gary Hart, right? The guy who was so eager to deny he was having an affair, that he actually challenged the media to catch him at it?  And they did.  Here's an infamous picture of Gary Hart with Donna Rice, his lover, on the aptly named pleasure boat, Monkey Business.  

Photobucket

I know, you can't make this shit up.  

Gary had presidential aspirations.  Had.  He would have made an excellent president.  Would have.  It's a damn shame, because she was hot and he was not. All he had to do was say, "of course I was sleeping with this girl.  Have you seen her in a bathing suit??? Have you seen me???"  He would have locked up the male vote, that's for sure.

Now you can spot him as a guest pundit on the occasional talking heads show.  Along with Eliot Spitzer.

Hubris is the word for it.  It's a notion that the normal rules simply don't apply.  He's too rich, too powerful, his hair is too pretty.  There are two Americas, you know. The America where we live, which requires us to play by the rules. And the America where people like John Edwards, Eliot Spitzer, Gary Hart, Jimmy Swaggart, Rush Limbaugh, etc. think they live. Where they can do what they want without consequences. Because they are important. Because they can.

And if this is true, that Edwards was getting a little on the side while his wife was fighting breast cancer? Shame on him.

In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.


[ Parent ]
I find that hubris... (7.60 / 5)
...is the explanation for just about everything rich and powerful people do.

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present...As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.

[ Parent ]
I don't know... (8.40 / 5)
what makes me sadder.  Walking into the living room to find someone has shit on the sofa, or knowing it was blogmother who put it there.

Welcome to MLW, Stranahan.  We're a pretty open forum here, and I can abide just about anything on the sidebar, but not on the front page.

Nothing in your post qualifies as "irrefutable proof."  What you have is conjecture.

John Edwards is not the Democratic nominee for President.  He is not on Obama's short list for VP.  He is just a man trying to speak for those who are underserved and overlooked in our country.  This will make it harder for him to do that.

I don't see how this merits the front page.

BTW, Nancy Grace is defending a wrongful death lawsuit for promoting the kind of "irrefutable proof" you have here.

Only solitary men know the full joys of friendship. Others have their family; but to a solitary and an exile, his friends are everything. - Willa Cather


Honestly... (6.00 / 1)
I wasn't trying to put them on the front page. I was having trouble trying to post.

As I said else - if you are a reporter, Edwards ducking out IS proof positive that there's a story here. As the title says  - irrefutable proof of a scandal.

It was in response to the mobs on Kos saying there was NOTHING AT ALL to this.

And it's not ME making it harder for John Edwards to spread his message, it's JRE himself.

Nothing in the world is keeping him from issuing a short, simple, clear denial.


[ Parent ]
the thing is, Stranahan (7.00 / 2)
and probably the reason for your ouster, is what the fuck all does all your rooting in Edward's ass have to do with preventing a McCain victory and war with Iran?







"Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG


I tried to make that clear (6.00 / 1)
In my initial essay. In our current climate, I don't see how this won't end up being a big story unless Edwards nips it in the bud as quickly as possible.  

[ Parent ]
Christ almighty. (5.80 / 5)
Constant fucking whinefest all over the blogosphere on how you were banned.
Kos did not ban you himself. You were autobanned and you know that. Your comments were being hidden by trusted users until you had so many in that shitbox you the software kicked in and you were gone.

I didn't give a rat's ass about Bill Clinton's sex life, and I should have maybe, since he did lie under oath and that's what got him in the legal mess. And I don't give a shit who you are, or what bullshit question they ask you, you don't ever lie under oath. He was an idiot and then some for pulling that shit.

But that is neither here nor there - I didn't care who he had sex with, I still don't, and he was President.

And I don't give a rat's ass who John Edwards had sex with.

He's not in office. And the whining from MSOC on what he could have been is hypothetical bullshit. If it's true, he won't be anything, simple as that, so giving this the front page is shear utter  stinking bullshit.

You are stalking his dick, and it's disgusting.
The only person this hurts, and will hurt, is Elizabeth. IF IT IS TRUE. And who the fuck says it is?

Four diaries you posted over there on this despicable shit. Four diaries full of innuendos, half baked ideas, and sick fantasies.

And now MSOC invites you here to spew up this garbage because she was in one of your movies.  Great. Fucking pathetic.

Again - just because someone has fantasies of him maybe being the AG, doesn't warrant My Left Wing turing into Noquarter or Red State.
It doesn't mean it's acceptable to make ugly accusations and claim them as fact.

This is as disgusting as the Arkansas Project, it really is. You're obsessed with one of our own, and for sex. What the hell is the difference between you and them?

It is his business. His wife's business. For the love of god, go do your investigative bullshit on John McCain.

But now that you're posting your garbage over at No quarter, why am I not surprised.

I never post here anymore, I just read, but your bullshit so grossed me out, and to see it on the DAMN FRONT PAGE was so wrong, I logged in.

Go after McCain. Jesus Christ, get a fucking grip.



I invited him here because he was banned there. (6.00 / 2)


And because it's a legitimate story that WILL be discussed whether we want it to be or not. Frankly, I'd rather it be dealt with, quickly and rationally, than in the manner it has been so far.

Whining about it being private is not going to make it go away, nor is it going to make it any less relevant -- and it IS relevant, because he IS who he is and it IS a story.

I'm not surprised, but incredibly embarrassed and disappointed to be once again a part of the political left that would be crowing in glee if this WERE one of the huge names of the Republican Party and not one of our own.

And it would. And I'd be just as embarrassed.

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


[ Parent ]
MSOC, the problem is not that it is (3.50 / 2)
or isn't a story.  The problem is the way the diarist is pushing it, as if it were a fact.  Words have meaning, and "irrefutable" most definitely does not mean what he thinks it means.

[ Parent ]
He 's not saying (5.50 / 2)
the infidelity is a fact. He's saying that it's a pursuable story is a fact.

Thankfully, we have one piece of irrefutable proof that shows any journalist or reasonable person that there is something to this story that bears further investigation.

And, he's right. Edwards has only given non-denial denials and avoided closing the matter once and for all and he's acting suspiciously enough than any, I would say tabloid journalist would chase the story, but, mainstream media outlets decided years ago that this stuff was news they'd pursue. It's not gonna go away. Better to look the devil in the eye.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker


[ Parent ]
Nope (6.67 / 3)
look at the headline- Irrefutable Proof Of The John Edwards Scandal

Unless "irrefutable" and "proof" have meanings other than the ones in the dictionary, he is most definitely saying it is fact.


[ Parent ]
Arguably, the "scandal" (7.50 / 2)
is that he hasn't told them "Shut up or be sued by one of the toughest plaintiff's attorneys in the business" or "Go fuck yourselves."

Me, I'd vote for the latter. Lawsuits haven't stopped the Enquirer from peddling this shit.

And I don't see anything resembling proof. Suspicion, yes.

"These are not the droids we're looking for. Move along."

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


[ Parent ]
Precisely. (6.00 / 1)
The scandal is real. This has become a scandal, whether or not he's guilty of infidelity. The word can, but does not necessarily, imply guilt. It can simply mean the public furor that results from that perception. And Edwards had, arguably, stoked this by not addressing it.

Sample definitions:

4. Talk that is damaging to one's character; malicious gossip.

3. damage to reputation; public disgrace.
4. defamatory talk; malicious gossip.

1. disgraceful gossip about the private lives of other people


"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

[ Parent ]
I despise the media - but to think they have more class than you (3.00 / 1)
right now blows my effn mind.

This would kill Elizabeth, and all you give a god damn shit about is that THIS IS A STORY and it should be covered.

The woman has cancer. Non curable. And you want those fucking slimebag reporters all over him and her and have her potential last months be spent watching this on the fucking news every night?

Jut so you can get your story?
The slimebags wanted a story on Bill Clinton too. Did you like that? Did you feed off of it? It sure sounds it. And don't say there's no difference. THERE IS NONE.

Your attitude is beyond repulsive.

Even Andrew Sullivan gets it:

Why Cover The Edwards Story?
05 Aug 2008 01:46 pm
Mickey makes his case for an unsqueamish press. I think the reason the MSM is leery of this story is because someone else has actually claimed to be the father of the child in question and because Elizabeth Edwards is extremely sick, and this story would be an horribly traumatizing question for a cancer patient to deal with.  And there's enough to this story already to bar any near-future public office for Edwards.
So, yes, occasionally the press is humane. Sometimes, that's a good thing.


[ Parent ]
Also... (5.00 / 2)
Please step back a minute and show me how I'm at all obsessed with sex. You're reading something into this that's not there...

[ Parent ]
You might have a lawyer hat (10.00 / 1)
but that alone does not make you a lawyer, something you went out of your way to prove to us here.

I am mildly amused at just how pitiful this essay is, but grossly disappointed that it is on the front page.  Edwards is not a candidate, though he remains a significant player.  That said, the above, taken in the light most favorable to the presenter, adds up to nothing, nada, squat, zilch, bupkus.


Definitely NOT "proof" (4.00 / 1)
of anything.

I'm with Raybin and Zok Tok on this one. I can think of one really good reason why he's ducking out the back doors of hotels: maybe he's just trying to avoid the people from the National Enquirer who masquerade as journalists. Or the real journalists who are acting like Enquirer reporters.

Even DNA testing would not be "proof"...and nobody has any right to that information other than the principals involved, anyway. Not the Enquirer, you, me, anyone. DNA testing is very good at ruling out potential fathers, with a fair degree of certainty. It is generally used when a question is raised about "which of these men could be the biological father of this child?"

But absolute "proof" of paternity? No. It gives a probability, no more. Now, that probability may be 99+%. Or not, depending on whether or not certain genetic markers are present...and, since most chromosomes come in pairs (except the X and Y in males), someone could be carrying a marker on one chromosome and not on its counterpart. Each sperm only carries one of the pair. And there's always the possibility that a randomly-chosen "control" would have the same markers; there's not all that much genetic variation in our species, less than even most other primates.

The other matter with this whole situation is this: we're not privy to any discussions he may have had with Elizabeth in all the years they've been married. Hell, they're my age...and my generation was the one that started talking publicly about "open marriage" (I'm certainly not claiming we invented it). For all we know, she might have given him a "hunting license" and her blessing. Or her cancer could be more advanced than we're assuming...and she could have picked her out as her potential successor. Those things happen, you know; I have two colleagues right now whose first wives---both of whom, oddly enough, died of breast cancer---did just that!

But examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush Presidency is Warren Harding. (Steve Mirsky, "Antigravity", SciAm 10/05)
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est. (Latin for All Occasions)


I thought of that too (7.50 / 2)
I just want it should go away.  It will be used to discredit Edwards's ideas - and his ideas are fabulous.  And I agree - multiple diaries are way over the top; hell - this was the first I'd even heard of it - I didn't need to be bashed over the head with all the gory details.  Personally - I'd like Edwards to sue the Enquirer and FOX News for libel.  If it's true - then do what you suggest - shut the muckrakers up before they do any real damage.

Isn't it a pity we live in a society where what you do personally is more important then what you do professionally?  This is how we end up with someone like Souter on the Supreme Court - an innocuous nobody who'd never had a life.  And to think he took Brennan's seat - one of the most brilliant, influential members ever.  At least he's grown in the job - but we need people like Edwards to stay in politics (no matter what).  Think what he'd contribute were he on the court - he and Hillary both.  They could move society forward.  That won't happen if shit like this shoots him down.

So I say deny and sue, or admit and tell everyone to go fuck themselves.  Either's better then ducking it.    

Deux ex Machina


[ Parent ]
One source jounalism (6.00 / 2)
I think we've had enough of one-source "citizen journalism".  Secondary sources repeating the same information from the same one source don't qualify as second sources.

Some things to remember.  John Edwards is a private citizen.  What he has been and what he might be are irrelevant.  He has the right not to be harassed by papparazzi.

Carol Burnett got a libel judgment against the National Enquirer.  It is not a reliable source; it just stops short most of the time from making actual statements of fact that could be shown to be false in a court of law.

The setup is a "are you still cheating on your wife" argument.  Why should someone be required to clear his name by submitting to DNA evidence in a matter that comes from such a questionable source?

It being an election year, some folks have significant motives for wanting to tar in advance any potential nominee to an Obama cabinet, should Obama be elected.  The National Equirer has a reputation for acting as a Republican shill in election years---despite all of the stuff they published about Bush's alleged affairs.

And by the Stranahan, could you stop by and give a DNA sample; there is a nasty rumor out there that you have had 15 children from affairs?  Don't try to deny it?  We know that denials from citizen journalists are not credible.  After all, they are citizen journalists.  And oh, yes, now paparazzi will hound you on every blog you post this story on, insisting that you answer the questions about your 15 children.

I don't know if the rumor is true or not, but it is up to the accusers to prove that it is true, not John Edwards to exonerate himself.  Circumstantial doesn't cut it.

And I don't if the rumor about your 15 children is true.  I might have just gotten lucky and hit something in your past that I had no information on.

Oh, and at least it was a gal, not a guy.

Why can't these folks come up with rumors about Democrats and guys?

Finally, there has been nothing in the rumor mill locally about this.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em


"Let's make the bastard deny it." (4.00 / 1)
Lee, I appreciate your concerns but there is proof of nothing. I'd have run from the Enquirer pack no matter what I was up to. Anyway... to deny or not to deny, that is the question. So I thought I'd share this great Hunter Thompson story that appeared in one of his last articles for Rolling Stone.  Great story, true or not. Link provided and caveat: I didn't write it.

"Back in 1948, during his first race for the U.S. Senate, Lyndon Johnson was running about ten points behind, with only nine days to go. He was sunk in despair. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.

His campaign manager was shocked. "We can't say that, Lyndon," he supposedly said. "You know it's not true."

"Of course it's not true!" Johnson barked at him. "But let's make the bastard deny it!"  

- Hunter S. Thompson

Just thought it might be relevant...

http://www.rollingstone.com/po...


What we have here, folks is not "irrefutable proof" of his messing around. (6.00 / 1)

Which in and of itself means less than nothing to me at all. He's a man; his wife is sick, and his dick doesn't have much of a brain.

So nu?

What this episode does irrefutably prove...if his shamefully false-noted performances during the primaries were not proof enough for the emotionally tone deaf among us...is that he simply doesn' t have the chops to be President. As a matter of fact, the way he is handling this thing (Guilty, innocent or any degree of difference between those two extremes.) says to me that he is not fit to be a small town mayor let alone handle the pressures of the White House.

He just doesn't have the talent.

Look at Obama.

Never a sweat.

Ducks like a ballet dancer when necessary.

" 'Tain't whatcha do. 'hit's the way 'atcha DO it."

Trummy Young, 1930s w/the Jimmy Lunceford band.

Yup.

AG

Government is the Entertainment Division of the Military-Industrial Complex.-Frank Zappa


The title of this diary (1.00 / 1)
sounds like a national enquirer headline.

What a bunch of BS.

By the way, I saw the "picture" of him supposedly holding a baby. It looks a little "manipulated".
... fake.

TKelly





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