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An Open Source Initiative - UPDATED

by: Caleb

Sun Jul 15, 2007 at 22:12:08 PM PDT






(Before composing this I asked Maryscott if this would be ok to put on MyLeftWing. She has graciously blessed the idea.)

Introduction
This is an initiative to create an online platform which will be; diverse, not-specifically-partisan, fun, productive, and an important fixture on the larger social-political landscape. The early conception is to achieve these lofty goals through the fusion of an open source culture (see below) and the best in modern web technologies/features.

Open source defined
Many people are familiar with the term "open source" in the context of software which is freely available with relaxed or non-existent intellectual property restrictions. The less known definition of open source: (source: Wikipedia)




Caleb :: An Open Source Initiative - UPDATED





The open source model of operation can be extended to open source culture in decision making, which allows concurrent input of different agendas, approaches and priorities, in contrast with more centralized models of decision making such as those typically used in commercial companies. Open source culture is one where collective decisions or fixations are shared during development and made generally available in the public domain, as done in Wikipedia. This collective approach moderates ethical concerns over a "conflict of roles" or conflict of interest. Participants in such a culture are able to modify the collective outcomes and share them with the community. Some consider open source as one of various possible design approaches, while others consider it a critical strategic element of their operations. (*disclaimer: open source does not imply anarchy - the means for any person to file an issue/initiative/contribution is enabled but they are working within a community frame work that does have some organization and decision making mechanisms in place. It's not an utter free for all. The exact options how to  do this would be one of the first and most important things we would need to decide on - Caleb)

The above model has been implemented with tremendous success in the world of software/web development. I know because for the past couple of years I've been part of an open source development community, Drupal. Drupal, for those who aren't already aware, has been gaining a vast amount of use and exposure in recent years. The list of sites that use Drupal is very distinguished. Besides a long list of popular corporate sites, several presidential candidates, NowPublic, and TPMCafe are among the sites using Drupal.

Clearly, this open source thinger is something which can produce results. With a proven track record, the time is ripe for this model to be implemented in an area that badly needs it - the social/political activist community.

Getting started
Please just fire away with your questions and/or comments and let's see what momentum comes of it. Heavy lifting is certainly need at some point, but even simple words of encouragement or support for the overall idea would be helpful feedback (if you have not so encouraging comments, please try to make them constructive at least).

Depending on the level of participation offered and the interest expressed, the next steps for this initiative should present themselves plainly enough (e.g., more specific planning, development, and collaboration)

UPDATE

Example of how one open source community works:
To help everyone visualize things a bit, here is an example of the workflow / communication lines / tools which exist at one open source community, Drupal.org (since this is the place I'm most familiar with).

Core
(For a social political site this item might be akin to the front page of the site and/or universal site features/content that will be presented to the public)

The "core" Drupal package itself. It's the backbone that everything else interacts with. It is produced through individual contributions of code/patches from hundreds of different users. Users contribute to core by filing an "issue" against some component of the project - they can mark their issue as a 'normal bug', 'crititcal bug', 'feature request', etc. Once a user has filed an issue the rest of the community can provide feedback and/or testing on the issue. Just depending on the issue, things may be debated and/or refinements made to the original idea before the issue is formally closed with some kind of resolution.

The issue queue is not a simple 'complaint or complement' inbox. What is generally valued by the development community are issues in which the person has either a) clearly detailed an issue and given conditions which can be used to recreate the problem, or b) the person has actually created their own solution/patch for the problem.

One thing that took me a while to understand at Drupal.org is that since no one is getting paid for their contributions - there is no "customer service" - just volunteers like oneself. The working motto is 'scratch your own itch' don't look for someone else to.

There are a handful of "core committers" whose job is to evaluate the issues which have been marked "ready to be committed" (through peer review) and to actually commit any newly accepted code to the downloadable Drupal package. Commiters may engage in any manner of dialog with the issue thread, to get more information, prod for some finishing touches, play a little devil's advocate about potential side effects, etc. All the conversations are out in the open and while not the rule, sometimes much venting takes places, among other things.  :)

In addition to the issue queues there is also a developer mailing list - a list which anybody can join, and is a place where some of the more active developers can communicate with one another and/or put forth ideas, feedback etc. It's a nice complement to the issue queues and also keeps them from getting muddied.

Projects
(there really is no current thing I can compare this to at any social political sites, atm)
Anyone that registers on Drupal.org can create their own project page and upload code for other users to download and install. What's really cool is that each person's project gets its own issues queue, just like Drupal core has (think of the issues queue an entire forum instead of an individual comment thread - you can have 1, 10, or 100 different threads going at anyone one time for just a single project). This means that other users can submit patches (improvements to your code) or add feature requests, documentation, etc. Effectively each project is it's own little micro climate.

Projects are self moderated, though you can create a project co-maintainer(s) if you'd like.

It is interesting to note that some of the most successful projects eventually find their way into the Drupal core package.

Overall site forums
(this can be in-addition-to the normal essays section that appear on a social political site)
These forums are not tied to any project or issues - just a place where individuals can post stand alone questions, articles, links, etc. Forums are moderated by site maintainers.

Handbook pages
The handbook pages are where things get documented at. It's a very wiki-like collection of articles and information about a variety of different subjects. Any member can add a page to the handbook.

Handbook pages are maintained by site maintainers.

Planet
Planet Drupal is an aggregator of other sites/blogs that are Drupal-centric in nature. This means that news/articles are pulled in from other sites and published on the Drupal Planet homepage (a subsection of the site).

Sites are included in the aggregator by site maintainers.

Groups
Groups are an awesome feature - groups.drupal.org lets a group of people function as their own site. Each group gets it's own front page, it's own users, a way to schedule events, subscribe to updates, etc.

Currently there are over 300 groups on Drupal.org.

Groups are self moderated.


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This a project that's potentially limited (10.50 / 2)
...only by the imagination and cooperation of it's participants.

If you've been looking for something new, a place that can create some inertia which isn't eclipsed by the, arguably, rotting "netroots" establishment - here's a chance to get involved and effect the outcome. Right now a few heavy-lifters would probably be very helpful

A small word about the technical aspects of the project - consider that the sky is (mostly) the limit - between myself (I'm a professional web developer by day) and some of the very technically adept people that I know frequent MyLeftWing (let alone other places), just consider that the resources to create what is envisioned by the people involved is already available. I purposely didn't touch much on the technical/functionality aspects of things because it would be putting the cart before the horse. If we the participants, can nail a good organizational structure I believe that will matter more than the gadgets in the long run.


Sounds great (10.00 / 1)
I think.  Could you sketch out in more concrete terms what you are thinking, for the Luddites in the crowd? 

How would an open source culture be different from what we have here?  Are you talking content, structure or both?

There was discussion here last fall about putting together position papers that we would use as a resource.  Proximity1 was the catalyst, and his diaries can be found here and here, and IIRC, Tarheel had some excellent thoughts on the subject as well. 

Is this even in the same ballpark as what you are saying, or am I completely sleep-deprived and confused?

Maybe I need to go find some caffeine and re-read this.

Insert witty quote here.


Example forthcoming... (5.00 / 1)
I thought about including a more specific example of how an open source community works (and yes it is content AND structure), but didn't want to muddy the waters in case either a) no one was interested or b) it might confuse someone (e.g., info overload).

Have conference call and then I'll set to it. Thanks.


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Update posted (0.00 / 0)
That should help things quite a bit. With that as a (very) rough template it might be a matter of hammering out some of the finer, but important, details. :)

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Recommend this post! (9.00 / 2)

Okay, do what you want. But I'd really love to see a discussion of this; I'd promote it just to elicit that discussion, but it's not really FP material...

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.

Agreed - not currently fp material, yet. (10.00 / 1)
With any luck the next post on the subject will be. Thanks for encouraging others to hop in. :)

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Count me in, I think. (0.00 / 0)
I want you to be more specific about your vision. I went & read the posts that puzzled linked to. I'm not particularly interested in working on position papers at this point. I am interested in working on structure and on software.

Structure is a big problem, as others have discussed recently. An ownership model simply does not work for building a democratic community. When push comes to shove the owner can become a dictator in a snap. I was booted out of a very successful yahoo discussion group several years ago that I had helped found. I had done most of the work towards creating the attractive & functional environment. I wasn't the owner. Very painful. And destructive to the group.

When you start using more democratic processes you immediately hit the same problem faced 200+ years ago while writing the Constitution: that of protecting the rights & voices of those in the minority.

I like consensus decision-making and agitated a little for it here when I first arrived. Didn't get much of a reception.

Burnet O (-8.31,-6.31)
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Definitely not about position papers. (5.00 / 1)
We may end up with on or two formal ones at some point just by accident.  ;)

The structural issues you mention are exactly what an open source culture is made to help alleviate. Nothing is a 100% panacea for guaranteed utopia, but I've been part of something that works better than anything else I've seen to date. Clearly, as you and Puzzled have both asked for more details on how this works - I gotta get some specific examples of how information/involvement flows. It won't take me long, just gotta wrap up a thing or two. Will try and have something by 12:00-12:30'ish over here.


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uh, supposed to be (0.00 / 0)
'end up with one or two informal ones'...

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In addition to more developers (0.00 / 0)
Are you talking about building onto the community here at MLW or are you specifically thinking of another venue? Or, going another way, are you looking to build a platform similar in nature to soapblox from which the community here can benefit?
Would there be individual blogs, similar to WordPress Mu or textpattern? I see that you mention forums. Would participation in those negate the community discussions like those that occur in the various essays now?

I guess I'm a little loopy tonight, but I'm not fully understanding the gist of this.

I'm definitely interested in anything that's open source and would most certainly be interested in hearing more about your proposed project.


re: In addition to more developers (0.00 / 0)
Are you talking about building onto the community here at MLW or are you specifically thinking of another venue? Or, going another way, are you looking to build a platform similar in nature to soapblox from which the community here can benefit?
Actually, this specific initiative is about making a wholly new entity/site that is would be intended to be fully butt-kicking in nature. Who knows if we would achieve it but the intention would be to make a site that could eventually pull Dkos+ traffic. Digg and Reddit have smoked dKos traffic by simply enabling people and making it all about the users. That's kind what I'm thinking about here  (focusing on the users/community - not on making a Digg/Reddit clone)

Would there be individual blogs, similar to WordPress Mu or textpattern?

I see that you mention forums. Would participation in those negate the community discussions like those that occur in the various essays now?
I'm thinking not, but if that's what everyone else wanted, sure. Personally, I think that if we had them at all, the forums should be in-addition-to the essays/diaries and not a substitute.

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Downloaded it (0.00 / 0)
And set it up on my site. So, now I have answered all my own questions. It's very nice. I'll play around more with it tomorrow.

I think this is an excellent idea.


Cool! (0.00 / 0)
That's should help you get some idea of things. Btw, all of the items listed in the post are things that exist on Drupal.org not necessarily what has to go on a site that we put together. List all of them was more for showing all of the different ways an open source enables communication.

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I've gotten addicted (7.50 / 2)
I played around with it a lot yesterday. I'm just going to post my observations for others.

I don't particularly like the WYIWYG editor because it screws up all the formatting. I like that there's a help button that takes you straight to a mini-tutorial on html.

I found some ratings modules, but nothing like here.  Just simply up and down.  Still, if an essay or blog post is front-page worthy it can still be recommended.

I like that all users can have their own links list. I guess it's kind of like you-know-where, but it's good in that more people can find the little blogs through the community. They can also have "buddy lists" and personal messengers.

Users can gain "status" (for lack of a better word right now) by earning points. Points can be earned through site participation, users donating, or admins giving them. They can also be stripped. I personally don't think that's a bad thing sometimes.

Users can change their own theme. I don't know if anyone else likes that sort of thing, but I thought it was neat. On my personal blog I have a theme switcher and I don't think anyone uses my default theme.:)

The back end is really fun. I added more themes so I could play with block placement.:) I swear, I'm a child when it comes to this sort of thing.

I do have to note that the available themes are kind of iffy. So if that's something you know how to do I'd highly recommend a brand new one.

Anyway, I like it. I recommend it. I had a friend come help me play and she's addicted too.:) MSOC, if you want to take it for a test drive, you can shoot me an email and I'll put you on.


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Hesitated posting this (0.00 / 0)
because I didn't want to make this diary about my own business stuff - but I have a Drupal installation that is pre-configured with 20+ additional modules at http://demo.bloggyla.... (I offer hosting for it, kinda like soapblox)

This is a bit of distraction from the issues of this particular essay however. Atm, am just trying to get a baseline for interest in a community driven site and see what feedback there is for processes, involvement, etc (seems to be going well on that account, at least recommends are an indication).

With your interest and enthusiasm - I'll have to insist that you stay involved with this Jennyjinx! If/when this site gets up there we'll need to have more than one (or even two) people that can help with technical issues and such. :)


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I'm flattered (0.00 / 0)
Truly I am. Thank you for the offer. I'm way better at the technical than I am at debating.:)

I have a couple more questions (not about the software, because that can be asked and answered other places).



  1. Does each user determine their own issue? For instance, my biggest political issue right now is gay marriage. Would I then concentrate on gay marriage and collaborate with other users to find a solution to the idiocy that surrounds it?

  2. How is this going to affect the MLW community as far as this site is concerned? Is this going to be considered an addition to MLW? Or is this going to be something completely different?

I am very interested in this, because I see the you-know-who's grabbing the left by the throat and choking the life out of it. I would love to be involved in anything that goes back to letting ordinary people make decisions for the community (as opposed to a posse of "hunters"). I love coming here because I can participate without feeling like I have to conform. I don't do essays or comment much because, as you can see, I really can't add much to what is already awesome conversation. 


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re: questions (0.00 / 0)
"Does each user determine their own issue? For instance, my biggest political issue right now is gay marriage. Would I then concentrate on gay marriage and collaborate with other users to find a solution to the idiocy that surrounds it?"
Absolutely - some possibilities of what you could do:

a) make a group site - e.g., ( http://groups.openso... ). This would be a site-within-a-site. Other users can join, post, events can be posted, etc.

b) make a specific "project" that has its own issues queue. This option is best for things that have some kind of specific "product" (e.g., not just commentary).

c) publish a blog post about it on site. I'm assuming we add some kind of 'recommended content' feature.

d) add a forum post (probably not the best option in this case - I kind of imagine the forums are better suited to one time questions, issues, notices, that kind of thing)

"How is this going to affect the MLW community as far as this site is concerned? Is this going to be considered an addition to MLW? Or is this going to be something completely different?"
It would be something completely different, but I'm posting here very intentionally. I share a lot of the same values as the MLW community and Maryscott herself - particularly where censorship is concerned. Haven't spoken to her about yet - but my hope is that she, and other MLW'ers, would be very involved the site. It's basically a big get together and pooling of interests so that we can refine the current online landscape for social political sites and give an legitimate, and highly trafficked, outlet to voices/cause that have been stifled.

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Teach-In on Open Source (10.50 / 2)
Text: Yochai Benkler, The Wealth of Networks: How Social Production Transforms Markets and Freedom, Yale University Press, 2006 (currently $26.40 on Amazon.com; MSOC, you can use you Amazon affiliate status to promote this book.  It's that good.)

Open Source works when it creates more social and market value more rapidly than is created by individuals and corporations.  There are numerous examples in software and web applications, from Linux to Drupal.  Typically the products from these efforts are free, but individuals can derive income by leveraging them into other products or providing services, such as training and support, to extend the usability of these products.

So with respect to this proposal, the first question is what is the social value (or market value) that we seek to create.  I can think of numerous possibilities.  For example:

- Ways of reaching voters effectively and cheaper that don't rely on major mass media (i.e. TV ads) and deliver an equal or more voters to the polls.  And involve them on a continuing basis in politics.  Call it open source political consulting, organization, and political communications.

- Open sourcing of education, building on the diversity offered by public charter schools and public support of home schooling.

- Open sourcing of preventative health care.

- Open sourcing of local agricultural marketing.

There should be enough examples to get you started brainstorming.

Hint: Premature critical evaluation of brainstormed items shuts down the creativity very rapidly.  Hold your fire until there are maybe a hundred opportunities for open sourcing suggested.  Of course, some of you will not be able to resist exercising your critical talents, which for lefties are very highly developed.

Want a third party -- 50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts -- Go get 'em


This is great (0.00 / 0)
It's exactly the kind of thing that I want to help make a platform to spur on.

Premature critical evaluation of brainstormed items shuts down the creativity very rapidly.
...which is why it will be so nice that there are all sorts of user-centric tools and ways to self/group organize on the site. People will be able to make their little enclaves - if everyone else doesn't "get it" (whatever "it" is) at first - that doesn't matter. The people who do "get it" can go off and organize their projects/ideas and then the other people can catch up as it starts to flourish.

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Tarheel, I'd be glad to do that... (10.00 / 1)

Amazon affiliate thingy -- if someone wants to tell me how.

: )

--7.88, --6.56      If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution.


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Are you already signed up as an affiliate? (0.00 / 0)
I looked and only saw one little amazon button. So, I'm not sure if that's an affiliate button or not. If it is then here's some directions on how to recommend titles. Then to get people to click you (or another front pager) can just recommend the book.

From the link:

You can allow Amazon to recommend products to your site visitors (Omakase Links), you can select categories and/or keywords (Recommended Product Links) or hand-pick the individual products and Amazon.com pages to which to link (Product and Text Links). We recommend reviewing all of our linking options before deciding which ones will work best for you. Below are some examples of the link types offered.

I think that's a fabulous idea, by the way.


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Read your Gmail, I sent you some stuff about ad revenues n/t (0.00 / 0)


Once again, I'm at the mercy of someone I wouldn't let pick my nose!--John Lithgow, "Third Rock from the Sun"

[ Parent ]
I said before (0.00 / 0)
I think you should put in an aStore. It's an awesome set-up. Go look at my blog and click the bookstore link if you want to see one.

"What fresh hell is this?" -- Dorothy Parker

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